On Flipping Back the Bird

Tim Wise and Birdman Correspond


[Wise responds to Birdman's 'Flipping Back the Bird']

wow, amazing...i spend a week and a half going thru your arguments, all of which i think are absurd, just as you feel about mine, writing about 15,000 words in response, and yet you wimp out halfway thru, having ignored pretty much everything I said, which if it were all "gibblefab" or whatever it is you said over and over, you should have been able to shoot down with footnoted references, as I provided and you ignored.

Please, by all means post this on your website permanently. I will certainly be doing so on mine...

You can't ignore half of someone's argument by saying "it's all gibblefab." That is called losing a debate...

And please note, that by ending your piece with essentially a call for gas chambers, you not only confirmed everything I already knew about you and your type and readers, you made yourself look like a hateful prick to anyone who reads this exchange with an open mind.

Didn't take much to out you as the little Nazi wannabe I suspected you to be...

I will be responding to your other critiques, but posting them on my own website. I see no point in engaging you directly any longer, if all you are going to do is launch ad hominems (which I did too, but at least I also did research, provided data, footnotes, etc) and ignore most of what I say. I tried to engage your arguments assuming you would take it as seriously as I did. You apparently don't. Fine. Take care of yourself.




[Birdman replies:]

We have now had our little exchanges. They will be placed on my website (and perhaps yours) for others to read. What my or your opinion happens to be of our own or the other person's work doesn't really matter that much, except insofar as this opinion is reflected in the exchanges between us. Instead what matters is what the readers of these exchanges will think. I am willing to let it go at that, because in my view that leaves me with a big advantage, tho I have no illusions that it will do much to change the opinions of your hard-core liberal/leftist/Jewish followers. I will say, however, that, for anyone with eyes to see, you exhibit all the earmarks of confessing that you lost your ass in the debate: Incivility, insult, ad hominem arguments, bias, ignoring facts, mounds of irrelevancies, bafflegab, repeating arguments I had already demolished, and of course an indisguisable bolus of what the LLJ's are supposed to be so much against -- HATE.

I used to be willing to argue with others till the cows come home, but with all the correspondence I have, I just can't afford the time (I am sitting on more than TWELVE HUNDRED emails, most of which I will never have a chance to even open, and that is only a small part of my life). I might feel differently about arguing with you if you really had some arguments, but I could not find a single thing in your first piece that gave me so much as a pause. My job, as I see it here, is to garner maximum credibility, and you have been most helpful to me in that with all your incivility, insults and the other things enumerated above, in addition to the usually-fatuously weak responses to my criticisms. For that I thank you.



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