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Iran, Today's Number One Threat To World Peace And Order

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Prescience   Sep 23, 9:42 am     show options
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Logician   Sep 23, 9:56 am     show options
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Date: 23 Sep 2005 06:56:25 -0700
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Prescience wrote:
> Has President Bush lost his focus. Yes,according to Michael Ledeen in the
> following article"

> http://www.nationalreview.com/ledeen/ledeen200509230815.asp

Bush's problem is that he backs down from a fight - the same exists for
the USA as a nation.

Americans like easy targets, defenceless people.

Iran will put up a stern fight if invaded by the USA, and Iranians have
a lot of FRIENDS in Asia and Russia. Those friends will supply money
and arms probably and put pressure on the West.

An attack on Iran will result in a 100,000 dead Americans.

Bush can save 100,000 lives now, and lose 3,000,000 in 20 years when
Iran in nuclear and we are all looking down the barrel of a nuclear
gun.

Bush has to act now to neutralise Iran.

The difference between Iraq and Iran is that Iraq was NOT a threat, it
was a beaten country with no air force or navy and a weak army which
mainly protected Saddam. There were no legal or military reasons to
invade.

There are a lot of legal and military reasons to neutralise Iran.

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abracadabra   Sep 23, 10:07 am     show options
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Well, if National Review represented a rational point of view, you'd have a
point.
As it is, NR is a bunch of chickenhawks, pinheads, and hysterical
republiars.
Nothing they print has any value in any way what so ever.

BTW - Mama's boy and chickenhawk supreme Jonah Goldberg was on C-span. As a
leftie I think that guy is great - he represents so well what a real
Republican is - someone who couldn't get a job washing dishes at Denny's if
it weren't for his family, who supports the war in Iraq but wouldn't risk a
hangnail by going to fight for his noble cause.

"Prescience" <presie...@dizum.com> wrote in message

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abracadabra   Sep 23, 10:10 am     show options
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"Logician" <s...@logicians.com> wrote in message

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Why do you assume Iranians are nuts?
You think the Iranians want to be nuked?

> Bush has to act now to neutralise Iran.

WIth what?
Are you volunteering for the army to make up for the recruitment short fall?

> The difference between Iraq and Iran is that Iraq was NOT a threat, it
> was a beaten country with no air force or navy and a weak army which
> mainly protected Saddam. There were no legal or military reasons to
> invade.

> There are a lot of legal and military reasons to neutralise Iran.

1) Nobody is going to believe the USA
2) Nobody believes Bush or the nitwits who sold Iraq as a Nu-cu-lor threat
3) We don't have the money
4) We don't have the forces
5) Most importantly - BUSH CAN'T EVEN HANDLE A HURRICANE and you think HE
CAN HANDLE ANOTHER INVASION?

Get real!

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mimus   Sep 23, 10:16 am     show options
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On 23 Sep 2005 06:56:25 -0700, Logician wrote:

> An attack on Iran will result in a 100,000 dead Americans.

Yeah, right.

--

Conservatism = plutocracy + theocracy + hypocrisy
Liberalism = plutocracy + bureaucracy + hypocrisy

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indiabpok...@yahoo.com   Sep 23, 10:16 am     show options
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God is behind the making and unmaking of Bush and America.

indiaBPOking.

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mimus   Sep 23, 10:19 am     show options
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:42:54 -0400, Prescience wrote:
> Has President Bush lost his focus. Yes,according to Michael Ledeen in the
> following article"

The major threat to world peace today is Saudi Arabia and its global
campaign of Sunni/ Salafist- Wahabbite terrorism.

Not to mention its agents in the US White House and Congress.

--

Io non giudico né giudicheròmai essere difetto
difendere alcuna opinione con le ragioni,
sanza volervi usare o l'autorità o la forza.

< Machiavelli

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mimus   Sep 23, 10:23 am     show options
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:23:20 -0400
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:10:04 GMT, abracadabra wrote:
> BUSH CAN'T EVEN HANDLE A HURRICANE and you think HE
> CAN HANDLE ANOTHER INVASION?

We've already seen that rational calculation of forces and resources needed
play no role in Bush- Saudi military planning.

--

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to
and you have found out the exact measure
of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.

< Frederick Douglass

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XTS   Sep 23, 11:49 am     show options
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"Logician" <s...@logicians.com> wrote in message

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For a logician, you show no signs of logic. You should be named knee jerk
instead. You are reacting to the same bullshit the people reacted to over
Iraq. You, have learned nothing from the recent past. Wise up and stop
listening to the rhetoric, it's the same as before. Christ, are you people
living in a fuckin vacume?

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XTS   Sep 23, 11:53 am     show options
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<indiabpok...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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No he isn't. It's that kind of absurd thinking that has us on the verge of
global destruction.  You fail to see the grand scheme of things. If this god
you speak of is infinite, created everything, knows everything, why would he
cast lots over a 200 year old country on only one of the planets and stars
he created when he created this whole universe you religious wackos claim he
created.  If what you claim is true, the eath is but as grain of sand, and
America even less. If you're going to preach, at least do it from a logical
prespective. This whole god and america thing is pure nonsense.

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XTS   Sep 23, 12:06 pm     show options
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"mimus" <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:42:54 -0400, Prescience wrote:

> > Has President Bush lost his focus. Yes,according to Michael Ledeen in
the
> > following article"

> The major threat to world peace today is Saudi Arabia and its global
> campaign of Sunni/ Salafist- Wahabbite terrorism.

> Not to mention its agents in the US White House and Congress.

There would be no such thing as terrorism on this planet if governemnts did
not hire "terrorists" to strike terror into the hearts of the masses of
chickenshits so the governments can bring them to their knees, and use fear
as their motivation to grant them more control, win elections and broker
international influence.  All you have to do is open your eyes and see it
all around you.

How many times per day does the cable news nets use the words "terrorism" or
"alqueada".  All day every fuckin day, it's the same old brainwash.  It
keeps the suckers under control, and they go through life with their eyes
wide shut. This is not how this country was formed, but if it continues, it
willl be how this country will be destroyed, and everyone who continues to
allow themselves to be hoodwinked by this huckster, flim flam bullshit
instead of  rising in protest, will be culpable in the demise of the USA,
that they all claim the love so damn much.

Instead of fighing for our country back from these ruthless pigs, they would
rather take the safe fight and bicker over whether we should say god in the
pledge of alliience. Well let these people have their way and there will be
no USA to pledge to.

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Cmdr Buzz Corey   Sep 23, 4:02 pm     show options
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You really don't have a clue do you.

And we all know what the TS stands for.

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Crash   Sep 23, 4:08 pm     show options
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One of the reasons that I thought that going into Iraq was a dumb idea
is because we should use our troops to deal with people that actually
threaten us, or who have actually attacked us - like, say, Saudi
Arabia...

But nooooooo, we went tear assing into Iraq to make the world safe for
Israel and 12 year old Iraqi school girls {who ironically lose rights
under the new constitution}, and now we have pissed away nearly $300
billion in treasure and all we have to show for it is a destabilized
region and massive chaos - something that only a true neocon could see
as a success...

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omareno...@aol.com   Sep 23, 6:32 pm     show options
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abracadabra wrote:
> Well, if National Review represented a rational point of view, you'd have a
> point.
> As it is, NR is a bunch of chickenhawks, pinheads, and hysterical
> republiars.
> Nothing they print has any value in any way what so ever.

> BTW - Mama's boy and chickenhawk supreme Jonah Goldberg was on C-span. As a
> leftie I think that guy is great - he represents so well what a real
> Republican is - someone who couldn't get a job washing dishes at Denny's if
> it weren't for his family, who supports the war in Iraq but wouldn't risk a
> hangnail by going to fight for his noble cause.

When are you heading out to Iraq?

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Roger   Sep 23, 7:06 pm     show options
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Topaz   Sep 23, 7:28 pm     show options
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by Kevin MacDonald

The current situation in the United States is really an awesome
display of Jewish power and influence. People who are very strongly
identified as Jews maintain close ties to Israeli politicians and
military figures and to Jewish activist organizations and pro-Israeli
lobbying groups while occupying influential policy-making positions in
the defense and foreign policy establishment. These same people, as
well as a chorus of other prominent Jews, have routine access to the
most prestigious media outlets in the United States. People who
criticize Israel are routinely vilified and subjected to professional
abuse.
Perhaps the most telling feature of this entire state of affairs is
the surreal fact that in this entire discourse Jewish identity is not
mentioned. When Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, Michael Rubin,
William Safire, Robert Satloff, or the legions of other prominent
media figures write their reflexively pro-Israel pieces in the New
York Times, the Wall Street Journal, or the Los Angeles Times, or
opine on the Fox News Network, there is never any mention that they
are Jewish Americans who have an intense ethnic interest in Israel.
When Richard Perle authors a report for an Israeli think tank; is on
the board of directors of an Israeli newspaper; maintains close
personal ties with prominent Israelis, especially those associated
with the Likud Party; has worked for an Israeli defense company; and,
according to credible reports, was discovered by the FBI passing
classified information to Israel - when, despite all of this, he is a
central figure in the network of those pushing for wars to rearrange
the entire politics of the Middle East in Israel's favor, and with
nary a soul having the courage to mention the obvious overriding
Jewish loyalty apparent in Perle's actions, that is indeed a
breathtaking display of power.
One must contemplate the fact that American Jews have managed to
maintain unquestioned support for Israel over the last thirty-seven
years, despite Israel's seizing land and engaging in a brutal
suppression of the Palestinians in the occupied territories - an
occupation that will most likely end with expulsion or complete
subjugation, degradation, and apartheid. During the same period Jewish
organizations in America have been a principal force - in my view the
main force - for transforming America into a state dedicated to
suppressing ethnic identification among Europeans, for encouraging
massive multiethnic immigration into the U.S., and for erecting a
legal system and cultural ideology that is obsessively sensitive to
the complaints and interests of non-European ethnic minorities - the
culture of the Holocaust.  All this is done without a whisper of
double standards in the aboveground media...

http://www.spearhead-uk.com/        http://www.natvan.com/
http://www.thebirdman.org/     http://www.realnews247.com/

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Prescience wrote:
> Has President Bush lost his focus. Yes,according to Michael Ledeen in the
> following article"

> http://www.nationalreview.com/ledeen/ledeen200509230815.asp

No - China is.

always was always will be.

--

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to
explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

"Had we gone into Baghdad -- we could have done it,
you guys could have done it, you could have been there
in 48 hours -- and then what? Which sergeant, which
private, whose life would be at stake in perhaps a
fruitless hunt in an urban guerilla war to find the
most-secure dictator in the world? Whose life would
be on my hands as the commander-in-chief because I,
unilaterally, went beyond the international law, went
beyond the stated mission, and said we're going to show
  our macho? We're going into Baghdad. We're going to be
  an occupying power -- America in an Arab land
-- with no allies at our side. It would have been
disastrous."
-- G. Bush 2/28/1998

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gaffo   Sep 23, 9:42 pm     show options
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Logician wrote:
> There are a lot of legal and military reasons to neutralise Iran.

there is NO reason to "neutralise" Iran chump.

Iran will do that the day they get the bomb.

its called MAD. try looking it up.

--

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to
explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

"Had we gone into Baghdad -- we could have done it,
you guys could have done it, you could have been there
in 48 hours -- and then what? Which sergeant, which
private, whose life would be at stake in perhaps a
fruitless hunt in an urban guerilla war to find the
most-secure dictator in the world? Whose life would
be on my hands as the commander-in-chief because I,
unilaterally, went beyond the international law, went
beyond the stated mission, and said we're going to show
  our macho? We're going into Baghdad. We're going to be
  an occupying power -- America in an Arab land
-- with no allies at our side. It would have been
disastrous."
-- G. Bush 2/28/1998

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wrong.

God helps those who help themselves.

if we are too stupid to act wisely - he will simply turn his back and
tell America to fuck herself. We will get what we deserve.

--

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to
explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

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mimus wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:42:54 -0400, Prescience wrote:

>>Has President Bush lost his focus. Yes,according to Michael Ledeen in the
>>following article"

> The major threat to world peace today is Saudi Arabia and its global
> campaign of Sunni/ Salafist- Wahabbite terrorism.

> Not to mention its agents in the US White House and Congress.

wrong.

CHINA REMAINS THE THREAT..............911 shime11

in sick of that DAY!!!!!!!!

CHINA CHINA CHINA - in 1999 in 2000 TODAY and TOMORROW!!!!!!!!!!!

CHINA IS OUR ENEMY Godammit!

figure it out before it is too late!!!
--

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to
explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

"Had we gone into Baghdad -- we could have done it,
you guys could have done it, you could have been there
in 48 hours -- and then what? Which sergeant, which
private, whose life would be at stake in perhaps a
fruitless hunt in an urban guerilla war to find the
most-secure dictator in the world? Whose life would
be on my hands as the commander-in-chief because I,
unilaterally, went beyond the international law, went
beyond the stated mission, and said we're going to show
  our macho? We're going into Baghdad. We're going to be
  an occupying power -- America in an Arab land
-- with no allies at our side. It would have been
disastrous."
-- G. Bush 2/28/1998

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Crash wrote:
> One of the reasons that I thought that going into Iraq was a dumb idea
> is because we should use our troops to deal with people that actually
> threaten us, or who have actually attacked us - like, say, Saudi
> Arabia...

> But nooooooo, we went tear assing into Iraq to make the world safe for
> Israel and 12 year old Iraqi school girls {who ironically lose rights
> under the new constitution}, and now we have pissed away nearly $300
> billion in treasure and all we have to show for it is a destabilized
> region and massive chaos - something that only a true neocon could see
> as a success...

when did Saudi Arabia "attack" the US??????????????

--

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to
explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

"Had we gone into Baghdad -- we could have done it,
you guys could have done it, you could have been there
in 48 hours -- and then what? Which sergeant, which
private, whose life would be at stake in perhaps a
fruitless hunt in an urban guerilla war to find the
most-secure dictator in the world? Whose life would
be on my hands as the commander-in-chief because I,
unilaterally, went beyond the international law, went
beyond the stated mission, and said we're going to show
  our macho? We're going into Baghdad. We're going to be
  an occupying power -- America in an Arab land
-- with no allies at our side. It would have been
disastrous."
-- G. Bush 2/28/1998

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