- It is highly likely that, as the police state
spreads an even more insipid net of ridiculous, freedom destroying
laws and regulations, more and more of us are going to wind up running
afoul of the law. This pains me deeply because many of you, like me,
used to be considered the salt of the earth, but now with our
Constitutionally minded, liberty loving ways, we are very soon going
to be labeled 'Enemies of The State'.
-
- Let me give it to you straight, you are more than
likely going to wind up in the hands of the police state and be
interrogated. I want to share with you the techniques that the enemy
will use against you and combat proven techniques to resist this
interrogation.
-
- I am not advocating an attitude of animosity or
hatred towards police officers or the local sheriff, in fact, many of
these people are on OUR side and I am mighty glad to have them. I am
however advocating caution and above all, a code of silence.
-
- When you fall into enemy hands, whether it be as a
US soldier into the hands of the enemy or as a patriot into the hands
of the police state, your best weapon and defense is silence. More
importantly, if you are part of any group of people whether it be a
group of freedom loving, Constitution supporting patriots or just your
local home church, silence can be your only defense.
-
- In SERE school (Survive, Evade, Resist and Escape),
we learned that if you started talking, instead of the enemy going
lighter on you, they would come down on you much harder. Further,
anything you said would not only be used against you, it would be used
against your friends. If you share even the slightest bit of
information, the enemy will take that information, add to it the
things that they already know and then use it to break your friends
down.
-
- Many people unwisely try to talk themselves out of
an arrest or a ticket. Unless you are the slickest salesman on the
face of the earth, the chances of talking your way out of a ticket are
slim to none. Once you are arrested, there is absolutely no need to
try and talk your way out of the arrest. Once arrested, the cop has
shown that he fully intends to book you or take you to the police
station where charges will be preferred against you.
-
- When you are arrested, the best thing you can do is
KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. Push your teeth together, seal your lips and
breathe through your nose. Say nothing except the following ăI want an
attorney pleaseä. Answer every question, regardless of how ridiculous
your answer may seem with that statement or something almost identical
to it.
-
- Interrogation, especially if more than one person is
involved as a suspect, uses three factors to succeed. One is the fact
that you are probably under stress, scared and a bit unsure, the cops
know this and are going to use this to full advantage. Two is the fact
that you are guilty of something (there are 10,000 laws on the books
at the moment and Congress and our Justice Department are working
overtime to make that number even higher), the cops just have to fish
long and hard enough and they will eventually find something to get
you on. Three is the fact that you and your cohorts who are obviously
not hardened criminals do not have the finesse and savvy to have
cooked up a story before your arrest.
-
- That is why we must all agree within the patriot
community that, when arrested, we will say nothing except through our
attorney. Further, we should agree to never break faith with our
friends. Believe me, if you are going to be convicted anyway, ratting
out your friends wonât help your case. The DA is not concerned with
justice, he is concerned with racking up an impressive number of
convictions so he can be re-elected or move on to a more lucrative
job. You are a notch in the DAâs gun· donât take your friends down
with you.
-
- It should be that we in the patriot community have a
code of silence and stick by it ö if the police state are going to
make arrests and convictions of fellow patriots, let them do it
without us. That is what they get paid for, we are not trying to
obstruct justice but neither are we going to assist them in destroying
the few people we share common bonds of liberty and justice with
either.
-
- NEVER trust a federal agent. I am not alone in this
view, I know many veteran cops who will say exactly the same thing. My
cop friends, when talking to the feds have a common answer to anything
a Fed says to them, even simple things such as 'hello' elicit the
response of 'talk to my attorney'.
-
- There have sadly been many instances of patriots
groups being infiltrated by federal agents and then, when the group is
arrested, the patriots turn on one another. This is not done because
the patriots have no honor, it is done because they were tricked. Here
is how the trick works.
-
- The interrogator asks you some simple questions and
convinces you that he is your buddy and just wants to help. He says
that if you will just tell him some information, nothing that sounds
very serious such as the names of your best friends, how long you have
known them and any small details, he can tell the DA that you are
cooperating. Once you start talking, it is hard to stop and soon he
will have some juicy little tidbit of information, nothing severe but
possibly just enough for him to do his next little trick.
-
- The interrogator then goes into a separate room (you
and your friends are all interrogated separately) and tell them that
it's basically over for him that you just spilled the beans and then
shares all the information you have given him interspersed with some
details they already know and makes it sound as though you have
accused your friends and are trying to cut a deal to save your own
hide. The interrogator says but if you want to cooperate, the DA might
'listen' and then eagerly records everything your friends have to say.
Each person he goes to in sequence tells more because he is convinced
by now that the rest of the group is spilling their guts.
-
- When all is over, the interrogator has the evidence
he needs to convict you and guess what, there are no deals cut, you
all get the maximum sentence. The sad part of it is, the reason they
are asking you the questions is because they do not know the whole
story and without your confession they probably had no real case (not
that they wouldnât try something bogus of course).
-
- There has been one case that I know of where the
Feds infiltrated a patriot group and tried this technique. Because the
group had already planned for this scenario though, they all said
nothing and they all had confidence that nothing was being said. They
knew when the interrogator came in and told them that the other guys
had already talked, and shared details, that these details were
obtained from other sources, not from the members of the group. Guess
how many of the group the Feds convicted.
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- None - zero, zip, zilch.
-
- Keep that in mind if you ever wind up in the bowels
of some police station or in a Federal building in the hands of
interrogators. These people aren't your friends, they don't like you
and want to send you to prison or worse. Talking to them only makes it
worse for you, despite how convincingly they lie and tell you
otherwise.
-
- Remember, you don't have to answer any questions, it
is your right as a citizen, just give them your name, address, phone
number and other pertinent information. Anything else, simply plead
the Fifth Amendment. After all, the feds plead the fifth amendment
when they were being questioned about their murdering rampage at Ruby
Ridge, why shouldn't we, who have done nothing wrong, enjoy the same
protection?
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- http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lorentz_050103_code.html
- pip
-
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- 5/1/2003
- 11:09 pm EDT
- Re: Police State: The Patriots Code of
Silence
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- Neverknow,
-
- Great post - you really detailed it well. The
authorities are not our friends nor protectors - and, yes, the DA's
care nothing for justice - just racking up convictions. My eyes were
opened too late to help a loved one regarding involving an incompetent
cop and a dastardly DA.
- A periodic reminder to 'keep our mouths shut' is
good.
-
-
-
- Thanks Anonymous Coward
- 5/1/2003
- 11:37 pm EDT
- Re: Police State: The Patriots Code of
Silence
-
- THE POLICE CONTACT: SILENCE IS GOLDEN
-
- I have debated writing this article for
months.
-
- I am a strong supporter of law enforcement, and I
have an extensive background in law enforcement. Even now, I have a
number of conflicts which cause me great concern with how the
information I am about to impart to you will be used. I do not want to
enable the criminals in our society to thwart justice, but I am
committed to protecting the innocent from what appears to be an
explosion of police abuse. In a case like this, I choose to protect
the citizens.
-
- I will start with law enforcement contacts with
regard to traffic stops for suspicion of driving under the influence
of alcohol or drugs.
-
- The Fifth Amendment of the Bill of Rights states
that we are not to be forced to incriminate ourselves. The actual
wording is that you cannot be "compelled" to be a witness against
yourself. If you are stopped for suspicion of DUI, these are your
rights, regardless of the laws of your state.
-
- First, you are to deny having consumed any alcoholic
beverages whatsoever. You are never to admit to having one or two
drinks. If you admit to consuming even one drop of alcohol, you open
the door to probable cause, allowing the police officer to search your
vehicle for open containers. Next, you are never to submit to a field
sobriety test. You are to refuse to do so. They cannot make you walk
the line, balance or anything else. If arrested, you are to refuse to
allow a blood or breath test,
- regardless of what state law requires, such as
revocation of driving privileges for a period of time. That is an
attempt to compel you to be a witness against yourself. Supreme Court
decisions in this area are quite specific with regard to your rights
as follows
-
- Lefkowitz v. Turley, 94 S. Ct. 316, 414 U.S. 70 (19
73).
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- "The Fifth Amendment provides that no person shall
be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself. The
Amendment not only protects the individual against being involuntarily
called as a witness against himself in a criminal prosecution but also
privileges him not to answer official questions put to him in any
other proceeding civil or criminal formal or informal, where the
answers might incriminate him in future criminal proceedings.?
-
- McCarthy v. Arndstein 266 U.S. 34, 40, 45 S. Ct. 16,
17, 69 L.Ed 158 (1924), squarely held that "the privilege is not
ordinarily dependent upon the nature of the proceeding in which the
testimony is sought or is to be used. It applies alike to civil and
criminal proceedings, whereverthe answer might tend to subject to
criminal responsibility him whogives it.
-
- The privilege protects a mere witness as fully as it
does one who isa party defendant." Maness v. Myers, 95 S Ct. 584, 419
US 449 (1975).
-
- "...where the Fifth Amendment privilege against
self-incriminationis Involved ... This Court has always construed its
protection to ensure that an individual is not compelled to produce
evidence which later maybe used against him as an accused in a
criminal action... The protectiond oes not merely encompass evidence
which may lead to criminal conviction, but includes information which
would furnish a link in the chain of evidence that could lead to
prosecution, as well as evidence which an individual reasonably
believes could be used against him in a criminal prosecution.
- Hoffman v. United States, 341 US. 479, 486, 71 S.
Ct. 814, 818, 95L. Ed.
- 1] 18 (1951). "
-
- "In Kastigar v. United States, 406 U S 441, 92 S Ct.
1653, 32 LEd.212 (1972), we recently reaffirmed the principle that the
privilege against self incrimination can be asserted in any
proceeding, civil or criminal, administrative or judicial,
investigatory or adjudicatory. Id., at444, 92 S.Ct., at 1656;
Lefkowitz v. Turley, 414 US. 70, 77, 94 S. Ct. 316,322, 38 L.Ed. 2d
274 (1973)...
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- Miranda v. Arizona, 86 S.Ct. 1602, 384 US 436
(1966).
-
- "We have recently noted that the privilege against
self-incrimination --- the essential mainstay of our adversary
system-is founded on a complex of values ... To maintain a fair state
individual balance, to require the government to shoulder the entire
load ... to respect the inviolability of the human personality, our
accusatory system of criminal justice demands that the government
seeking to punish an individual produce the&laqno;evidence against
him by its own independent labors, rather than by the cruel,simple
expedient of compelling it from his own mouth... ln sum, the privilege
is fulfilled only when the person is guaranteed the right to remain
silent unless he chooses to speak in the unfettered exercise of his
own will."
-
- "...there can be no doubt that the Fifth Amendment
privilege is available outside. of criminal court proceedings and
serves to protect persons in all settings in which their freedom of
action is curtailed in anysignificant way from being compelled to
incriminate themselves."
-
- Please also note: The above, as stated by the
Supreme Court, arerights and privileges as guaranteed by the
Constitution, and anyone (including judges)who knowingly violates
those rights may be civilly and criminally liable under several
federal statutes. Please see: United States Code,Title 18 Section 241
(Conspiracy against rights), and Section 242(Deprivation of rights
under color of law); Title 42 Section 1983 - Section 1986(Civil
Rights). Most attempts to pursue action under these laws fail, but
very skilled litigators with good factual circumstances can sometimes
get some satisfaction. However, if more individuals were to understand
the above rights and exercise them at the appropriate times, more
successful litigation could be the outcome.
-
- Okay, you got that? You cannot be forced to provide
evidence against yourself, therefore you must not allow any tests
whatsoever, be it field sobriety "walking the line", or a blood or
breath test. Period. If you will follow these instructions, they have
no case against you and they are also barred from taking away your
driving privileges under the same Supreme Court rulings.
-
- Now to more serious matters If you are contacted as
a possible suspect, or even a witness, in any other law enforcement
investigation, you are to say nothing. You are to say nothing even
when your attorney is present. You are to say nothing, regardless of
evidence of your guilt as presented by the law enforcement officers.
You are not to try to explain away the circumstances of the evidence
they present to you. You are to say absolutely nothing. No matter how
tempted you are to try to talk your way out of the situation,you are
to give them absolutely NOTHING to verify. If they ask you if the sky
is blue on a clear day, you are to say nothing. You are to give them
nothing whatsoever. Whatever evidence or witness information they
have, you are to say nothing. Even denying any of their allegations
can be used against you in a prosecution if it is determined later
that you obviously lied.You are to stay MUTE.
-
- The reason for this is quite simple: The evidence
the law enforcement officers have is all they must be required to work
with. Don&laqno;t give them anything more. The only time you
should consider the option of telling your side of the story is to
your attorney in privacy, or in a court of law if prosecuted.
-
- Because you have stayed mute, giving law enforcement
nothing in addition to the extrinsic evidence and witness information
at hand, the burden of proof available to the district attorney is
severely limited and will most often result in a dismissal of charges
unless their evidence and witness input is overwhelming and compelling
enough for a grand jury to return a bill of indictment. And even if
bound over for trial, the jury will be limited to consider only that
evidence and witness input.
-
- When you are given your Miranda Rights wherein you
are informed that anything you say can and will be used against you,
take it to heart If you say absolutely nothing, NOTHING can and will
be used against you in a court of law.
-
- There are literally thousands of people behind bars
today who tried to talk their way out of a law enforcement contact.
Don&laqno;t fall for the ploy. Law enforcement officers are
trained to bluff you into making denials or statements. They will
appear friendly and reasonable. They will appear willing to help
resolve the matter. They will tempt you to talk about it and appear
sympathetic. Don&laqno;t fall for it. Say nothing. Give them
nothing.
- Deny nothing. Give them NOTHING. Stick your tongue
between yourteeth and bite down - HARD. You are to be a marble statue.
You do not exist.You have no past, you have no address, you have no
name, you have no social security number. You are to give them nothing
whatsoever to work with.
- This includes whether you understand your miranda
rights. When asked if you understand your rights, either say no or
don&laqno;t say anything. Spending a night in jail is preferable
to incriminating yourself.
-
- rebel4ever
-
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- 5/2/2003
- 12:00 am EDT
- Re: Police State: The Patriots Code of
Silence
-
- Anonymous Coward-
-
- Thank you very much for your detailed explanation of
how things work. I am sure that there are other tricks and methods
that they use to get information from people.
-
- You mention your Miranda rights - Aren&laqno;t
they doing away with them now??? I thought I saw an article that was
talking about that???
-
- Any thoughts on what to do for vehicle/home
searches?
-
- Thanks again! CON JOB
- 5/2/2003
- 12:02 am EDT
- Re: Police State: The Patriots Code of
Silence
-
- The US has just complained to Canada that it cares
too much about civil liberties and democracy.
-
- Well Dubya has certainly pulled his pants down
around his knees with that statement.
-
- Hey, is, is that his mini-me or is it cold out?
Llahsram4
- 5/2/2003
- 9:01 am EDT
- Re: Police State: The Patriots Code of
Silence
-
- Thank you neverknwo. Sound advise that most of us
haven't considered. And you're right about the police. Most of the
locals are good guys. They're underpayed family men just trying to do
a dangerous job. But the alphabet boys are another story. If you
haven't read Unintended Consequences, you should. A free download is
available at Sierra Times. Stay safe and stay quiet. Fla
Cracker
- 5/2/2003
- 9:17 am EDT
- Re: Police State: The Patriots Code of
Silence
-
- The drivers licensing and traffic regulatory scheme
is a fraud!
-
- The first indication begins in Florida Statutes(FS).
Note that the traffic regulatory scheme is evidenced at FS Title XXIII
Chapters 316-325, but CRIMES are recognized at FS Title XLVI Chapters
775-896.
-
- Hmmm!
-
- Hence the traffic regulatory scheme does not possess
"REAL" CRIMINAL Violations, furthermore traffic violations are not
torts either, as torts are found at FS Title XLV Chapters 766-773. So
just what jurisdiction do the regulatory traffic schemes fall
under?
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- http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm
-
- It&laqno;s a blended extra-constitutional 4th
Branch admiralty jurisdiction that does not apply to most Citizens.
IOW it is FRAUD on it&laqno;s very face that is illegally and
unconstitutionally enforced. Read Art. I, sec. 2 FLa. Const.
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- SECTION 2. Basic rights.--All natural persons,
female and male alike, are equal before the law and have inalienable
rights, among which are the right to enjoy and defend life and
liberty, to PURSUE HAPPINESS, to be rewarded for industry, and to
acquire, possess and protect property; except that the ownership,
inheritance, disposition and possession of real property by aliens
ineligible for citizenship may be regulated or prohibited by law. No
person shall be deprived of any right because of race, religion,
national origin, or physical disability.
-
- http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?Mode=Constitution&Submenu=3&Tab=statutes#A01S02
-
- So just how am I to freely pursue happiness, an
inalienable right if I must be licensed to do so? Lazy_Sam
- 5/2/2003
- 2:13 pm EDT
- Re: Police State: The Patriots Code of
Silence
-
- As a general "Contrarian" and States' Rightist, I
expect sometime to be confronted by the Enforcers. Is there somewhere
where I can read about exactly what the Law rightfully expects of me?
I mean, for instance, if an officer comes up to me and demands my
"identification papers" (even if I have done nothing) do I have to
show him my ID? If I don't carry an ID and I am asked to identify
myself or tell where I live, do I have to respond? I am 55 years old
and have never been in trouble with the police or the Gestapo but the
way things are going, I expect to. Any references?
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